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Post by bighorse on May 22, 2011 19:28:06 GMT -6
How do people feel about a cid rule for some of the lower classes. I think it would bring alot more competition, A cid checking tool is only about 1200.00, I would donate 100.00 dollars for one, i think many more people would also. I think there should be somthing like that in place through class 500? May also bring alot of people back to racing that quit.
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Post by maroonrocket on May 22, 2011 20:01:15 GMT -6
me personally i have no problem with it since i only run a 468 cubic inch motor but just remember it might make guys quit too. just because its a big cubic inch motor why should they have to run a aluminum head class because they are bigger cubic inches....they are still restricted due to carbs and heads. plus you can only go so big in a stock block.....and everyone has access to a big cubic inch motor its just a choice on what you want to build. not being difficult just stating my opinion i have no problem lining my 468 up against a vacuum 557 ford or a big cube vacuum chevy.
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Post by bighorse on May 22, 2011 20:25:42 GMT -6
Considering i dont run a big cid engine. Iam for it, My thing is the lower classes, There would be alot closer competition, I havent raced in a few years thinking of going back at it, Mabe be more affordable for the people. If you want a big engine go up a class, End alot of accusations. Put everyone on the same level. I am trying to cause problems just saying! Curious on the responses that this gets, Some rules in other places have the cid rules.
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Post by bighorse on May 22, 2011 20:52:40 GMT -6
NOT TRYING TO CAUSE PROBLEMS! LOL!
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Post by rogermiles on May 28, 2011 6:05:12 GMT -6
bighorse thanks for your respouse, the club is looking into going back to the cid rule for some of the lower classes. But this probly wont happen this year, the rules are already set for the year, were hoping for next year in one or two of the lower classes. We would like to see more trucks in the stock classes,we under stand the vacunm rule is not the way to go any more but it takes time and money so please bare with us.
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Post by muddrag79 on May 28, 2011 17:24:50 GMT -6
i remember when there were no big blocks in 1/2 ton trucks or in a bronco or blazer i had a truck with a big block and got beat by small blocks so i dont think it really matters its all about the money you have to put into a engine
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Post by mylilclass3632 on Jun 1, 2011 19:02:15 GMT -6
It has nothing to do with cid. How about this Build a truck to be competitive in what ever class you want to run or move down a class in stead of trying to move the competitive trucks up.This is the problem place always changing rules to accomadate people that don't want to put the effort in to making their truck competitive. When i started racing i ran the same motor for ten years. Now we have to build a motor almost every year because of all the rule changing. Something has to change with all this rule changing or we will be done racing trucks and going drag racing. It cost about the same to build a small cid motor as it does a big cid motor in a stock block so done use cid for the reason your not competitive. By the way i run a small cid BBF and we do alright with it
David
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Post by bighorse on Jun 1, 2011 21:11:50 GMT -6
David! Me to on the small cid ford, Competitive isnt the reason. When you got people driving in 540 in the stock class and super street, it takes out the average guy who just wants to have fun with a pretty much stock truck, I use to race them classes and got accused all the time of running big cid motors, Guess what it was a little old 472. Like i said this is just talk, how people feel about the idea of it, Not trying to piss any body off. There is so much you can do with a engine besides cid to get the power out of it, My little motor has always been competitive,
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Post by Chevy 498 on Jun 1, 2011 23:53:07 GMT -6
Well den if there is so much you can do with your little motor why you whining? Come off the porch and run with the big dogs! There is so much you can do right?? or NOT??
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Post by bighorse on Jun 2, 2011 18:01:07 GMT -6
I dont think i am whining, Man i must have hit a nerve!! Just talk is all this is, its a forum right. I havent been sitting on a porch either, Cid hasnt kept me out of racing, Its health, I will be out see how this little motor still competes, If it dont no big deal, i will do what i have to, Big cubes, In truck pulling they use to have a super stock class, NTPA. 372 cid was all you were allowed, Great class. I dont realy care what the club does ! I get my classes all confused anymore, altered stock here is super street there, or class 200-400 or what ever, The two lower classes is what iam talking about. And i dont even race them classes, Like i said not trying to piss anybody off!!! Its just talk!!
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Post by mylilclass3632 on Jun 2, 2011 18:09:57 GMT -6
Here's what i think leave the class alone. Make a new class 15.oo to enter trophy only run what you brung. that way anybody with a street truck that don't fit stock class can race.
David
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Post by bighorse on Jun 2, 2011 18:17:43 GMT -6
Probably be a good class, Drive it in off the street, your in! plates and insurance, street tires no boogers no swampers.
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Post by Chevy 498 on Jun 2, 2011 21:04:13 GMT -6
Big Horse No nerve hit really, jus never seen anyone check cid they always threaten but its too much work for everyone. but if anyone thinks smaller engines do better i got ta say they dont know what they are talkin about. you can beat them if your a better tuner but if your not then big engines win. I may not agree with your post at all but i hope your heath gets good enoug to race and show us what you can do with your little motor.
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Post by maroonrocket on Jun 3, 2011 15:32:17 GMT -6
i think if we go to a cubic inch rule then there should be no cobra jet heads aloud and if you finish in the top 3 in the vacuum class after the last pass pull back to the line and lets retech the trucks to!!!  i mean its just for fun no one does it for the money and all putting a cubic inch rule in in my opinion is gonna ruin the sport when guys with a little bigger motor but nothing special have to run big classes. everyone has the same access to the same parts. going fast is just a matter of money how fast are ya willing to go! |
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Post by bighorse on Jun 3, 2011 20:17:05 GMT -6
Chevy498! I agree ther is no match for cubic inch, Health is good enough, Plan on dusting it off and getting over to peoria, Got a couple issues yet to work out with it. Dont know how good it will do,
Maroon rocket! Cj heads are junk any way!!! I agree on the vaccuum classes, This is just a thought i threw out there See what people thought! Your right its just fun, it aint no money maker,,,, But people waist alot on a boat , Blow 200 in fuel on a weekend, I would rather play in the mud. You could be right a rule like that may ruin the sport, Dont want to do that, Its to much fun.More people need to talk. Hear some stuff that may make the sport better.
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Post by maroonrocket on Jun 4, 2011 5:37:59 GMT -6
cj heads are far from junk. you wanna make the sport better then everyone should go to the same set of rules like maybe everyone has NMRO rules. that way no matter where you go your truck matches the rules.
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Post by bighorse on Jun 4, 2011 17:22:55 GMT -6
If your talking about iron cj heads D00E-R i think they are a waist of time, Motorsport cj heads are ok! I agree every club should try to get the same rules, so you can go anywhere and race the same class. Thing is they wont do that, So you have to set up to race one place.
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Post by maroonrocket on Jun 4, 2011 21:43:12 GMT -6
no disrespect but get with the times big horse. guys with iron cj's are making serious numbers with them.........650-700 hp with max effort dove heads. 800 plus on the same same motor with a good set of doves!!! dyno proven they are by no means a waist of time. and you are kinda barking up the wrong tree with the cubic inches restricting cubic inches will not accomplish much as stated above cam and carbs are your biggest restriction not cubic inches cubic inches only help so much on a motor pulling 15 inches of vacuum with no dominator. now those are restrictions.
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Post by bighorse on Jun 5, 2011 9:53:38 GMT -6
everyone feels the same about rule changes, I started using the dominator in altered stock or what ever they call it now 8-10 years ago, And the next year it wasnt allowed, I know the feeling of rule changes, Spent big money on a carb and then decided the hell with it and went up a class.. I never liked having to change everyyear to stay in the same class. Like i said this is just talk, I kind of changed my mind on the cid rule, Build a big cid motor and be done with it. They will keep changing rules, I have been around it for 25 years or so, And that one thing you could count on, Diff places make the rules to acomidate there people, No body will ever be the same.
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Post by guest on Jun 5, 2011 21:16:24 GMT -6
restrictor plates is where its at. cheap and easy to check. whats all this buzz on cj heads. i want to run my passenger car
BOSS 9 heads....
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i mean its just for fun no one does it for the money and all putting a cubic inch rule in in my opinion is gonna ruin the sport when guys with a little bigger motor but nothing special have to run big classes. everyone has the same access to the same parts. going fast is just a matter of money how fast are ya willing to go!