underachiever's schwin club no ten speeds aloud

[mylilclass3632]

lets get your rules straight......kick one legit guy out and let two in that dont fit....does this seem fair??


David

[Justin ackman]

Who are the two that didn't fit and why are you saying that didn't fit?

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[samlam]

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re is part of the add for the carb on the Pro systems site

[samlam]

And I I told the Owner of the truck we did not know enough about the carb to let him in class 3, I will do some more investigating and see if we can come to a ruling, and the truck in question did make it a bid harder winning class 4, great Job Dexter you have a very fast ride.

The web site PRO System does state that the lower bolt pateren can be ordered in a 4150 patern or a 4500. the main body is more based on the 4500 series.and can be sized to any CFM up to 2600 there is a cut off on the 4150 bolt patern I will look back and see what it was I think it said 1200 which is bigger than we want in that class

Our rule on no Dominators was to keep the Big CFM out of the class WE Dont know how to tell what CFM this carb is

I know there are bigger CFM 4150's out there this is one of many new problems we are looking at.

[mylilclass3632]

Here's the specs sheet

were does it say its a 4500 series carb. Sam we were very honest and straight forword with you.We didn't whine we just enter class 4.But i take it as a personal attack on use not the truck when dex was told he would have to run class 500 in the bogs with a full body truck 468 19" vacuum motor and 35" tires. And for who shouldn't been in that class i'm not telling on any body but this what i seen and heared one truck not even tech in one running trans brake a couple carbs that were probably bigger then Dex's stalls bigger than 2800 g et the point.

David

[samlam]

David I'm 100 % positive there were no double carbs in class 3 --- 1 truck had 2 air cleaners but it was hooked to a single 4150 carb.

Stalls - we do try and check the trucks but most of them don,t have enough break to hold the truck in low gear we need to rethink this rule and see if is out dated it is hard to tec and harder to enforce.

Our class 3 is the hardest class to tec I'm my opinion I would rather tec 100 open class trucks over tecing 10 class 3.

I am not trying to up set anyone Just trying to get the best answer to the cab question. The reference to the 4500 carb (in my post above) is off the pro systems web page. I would rather see a CFM rule but we have no way to flow each carb, so we have to go by looks. There is a gage we can get to check the standard 4 barrel carb but it would not work for yours and we do state that any cfm is allowed if it is a 4150 carb I will get with the other members and we will get a decision soon

[mylilclass3632]

Sam I will take the carb off and bolt it up to my vacuum sec carb take a pic with it bolted flange to flange. I didn't mean two carbs on one truck. seen single carbs that were easily more cfms . I'm not trying to start a fight with you. Just fell bad for Dex . That truck is all he's with no money help from me he saved for a year to buy that carb. Because he didn't want to run mine. Remember When you were 24 years old and trying to build a motor that could run with the olders guys that had the funds to build fast motors. If i get in volved Dex's can quite messing with stock stroke motors and run big cid motors but i don't want to do that its not good for the sport but whats going on here isn't good for the sport either.

David

[bighorse]

I know my opinion dont count! But The carb in not a 4500 series or a 4150 holley, It is a sv1, The rules say no 4500 series carbs, It just utilizes the same mounting as the 4500 and 4150 series holley carbs,,, In that case he should be able to run class 300 and up, Changing the rule during the season is not the right thing to do, I know people will be pissed off, But he didnt buy a 4500 series holley. He bought a sv1. And just wanted to say had a great time racing sunday, And plan on coming back. You guys put on a good show!

[mylilclass3632]

big horse

Thank you for your support

David

[jenks21]

Not the my opinion matters either, but I agree.


Being a promotor of a sport of a different nature. Tech always sucks.

In my eyes he read between the lines, or the gray area. It is what sets people and trucks apart. Thinking outside the box. If the rule states no dominators then that is the rule.

Like you said you can get a 1050 cfm hp carb if one so chooses. That is why I argue that rule all of the time with other promotors.

I am not trying to get in the middle by no means. Just talking from the sidelines.

Sounds like it ran hard either way.

later
jenks

[maroonrocket]

i guess what gets me is we went out of our way to get the carb looked at before the tech to avoid any issue only two club members looked at it and about 6 ruled on it one which was in the class....to me it is not fair for a guy in the class to rule on it(who by the way never even looked at it and probably has no idea what it even is) if thats the case it should have went to a vote at the drivers meeting so all class three trucks could vote on it regardless not trying to pick a fight here just wanted to state how i feel...not really as upset about the drags. i knew i could compete in 400 drag still a little upset tho as that truck was built to be a class 300 truck. we spent a lot of time researching and studying to get it where it is. and i truely feel that my truck may be one of the most legit trucks there iif i put mufflers on it i could drive in on the street there is no gutting what so ever bench set even still has the factory column shifter in it. as far as the bog goes thats what upsets me the most as stated above its a 468 dove headed motor that pulls 19 in of vacuum 35 inch tires and then to be thrown in a class that is an aluminum headed 44 in tire can gut your truck class thats what got me the most. i guess itll teach me to do extensive research and spend that much time on something..... like i said not trying to pick a fight. i do this because this is one thing i get to do with my dad that we have in common and both enjoy....thats what this sport should be about none of us are in it for the money so why are people complaining about other peoples trucks and trying to keep them out of classes....its a competition if you get beat then upgrade... everyone has got that one person or one truck they really wanna beat. and in my eyes that is exactly what i did.....beat them on the track not out of a class before you even see it run!!


Dexter

[WILLIE]

Don't hate me but I agree with mylilclass3632 he didn't break any rules he just used them against you...If I was the tech guy I wouldn't want to see it in class3 but I would have to let it run. There is no rule against it.

Not so sure I didn't tell Jeff this was going to happen

I sure like it when someone thinks outside the box.. ;D

[mylilclass3632]

Here is the problem no were on pro systems site does it say that the sv1 is a 4500 or a 4150. All the rules say is no 4500 series which its not. So now there saying to many cfms Dex's sv1 is 1140 cfms the rules very clearly states any cfm. Thats a joke to tell me that they didn;t want that many cfms in that class. The club is the one that changed the rule from vacuum sec carb to any cfm no 4500 series carb.I just got off the phone with my carb guy he said no problem building me a 1250 cfm 4150 with factory # so if thats the route we have to take so be it.

Sam right or wrong aleast you tried to let me know the reasoning for the clubs actions thats more then anybody else did Thank you for that.

David

[samlam]

I will take full blame for all that happened to DEX this past weekend. After looking over the Pro systems web page and talking with other members, there is no rule that would keep him from running class 300. The day of the race there was not enough time to make the proper call and dex did not seem to care.

So again I am sorry that there was a problem, If dex had related to me that he wanted in class 300 that bad I would have spent more time on it and had him remove the riser that he had silicon ed on, I did not figure he wanted to do that and he stated it was not a big deal if he had to drag up a class, until we had more time to investigate the carb. It was my fault again during the drags he mentioned he did want to bog class 3 and I did not remember to ask the others in his class, I wish he would have reminded me to see if he could bog class 3

We did bring it up at the drivers meeting and there was a hand raised not to let him in. I made the call that was the end of it.

Most of the members are racers, we would not be there if we did not race, it not that much fun to put on a race - every one should have to try it.

[mylilclass3632]

I'm glad to hear that your going to let him run it aleast two times before you rule it out.every body thinks the rules don't work but they do. What i seen sunday was good close racing. Just because a truck runs class 300 and does good in class400 or 500 only means that theres not enough fast 400 and 500 trucks there. The way things are now with gas and parts prices we should be more lienent on the rules and let guys race Thats the only way we are going to get more trucks to come. same way with the bogs i know you voted to keep the pit the same way. But look at the amount of bog trucks there something needs to change. I know the bog guys don't want the drag guys to bog. But you all most have to do both if you want race. What we need to do is get trucks to come first what ever it takes and then try to figure out how to make it fair for every body.

David

[BLACK MAGIC]

GLAD TO SEE EVERYBODY HAD A GOOD TIME .ALL THE TRUCKS RAN GOOD LIKE TO SEE MORE MEMBERS JOIN TO WORK ALL PROLEMS OUT ONLY 20 A YEAR. DAVID AND DEX ON ME HAVE SHRITS AT NEXT RACE FOR YOU . PS ANY QUESTIOS ON PAYOUT GIVE ME A CALL 309 335 5506 MIKE

[maroonrocket]

first off mike bad math on my part and i do apologize i was upset let my emotions get the better of me and ran my mouth where it shouldnt have been run i do apologize ive never had a problem with you as far as being a club member im not gonna drive 2 hrs for all the meetings and for three races not saying we dont appreciate the work that is put in just stating our opinions isnt that what a forum is for???

[Cookn 429]

loosen the rules up a little? i got one. how about aluminum heads in 400 class. its been almost five years since ive raced and watching class 400 on sunday makes me want to get my truck running again. fast trucks and most important its side by side double elimination. its RACING!

[maroonrocket]

cookin that truck of yours is bad ass if i remember right. class 5 is an aluminum head class and none of us in class four would have any problem bumping up to race you even tho i dont think we stand a chance(actually i know we dont) but load her up for the fair and bringer we will let ya make us look slow ps that stock truck you have is a good running truck

[bighorse]

Class 400 is a good class! Wish pana had a class like that, If i had to race all time i wouldnt waist my time, Just wouldnt be fun! COOKN 429!! Bring it out we had some good times, Good racing! Maroonrocket!! Glad they are going to let you in 300,,,,,, Now who do i need to talk to about getting one of those carbs!!! LOL! Mabe next year!! Just about spent my mud racing money this year, Mabe some new valve springs, And that will do it for the year i think. See you all in july!!